2026-08-04 - Public Services Committee

00:18Sorry, we're good to go.

00:19>> Okay.

00:21I'm going to call to order the Public

00:22Services Committee meeting for Tuesday,

00:24August 4th, 2026.

00:26Our first order of business is a

00:28approval of the minutes from June 2nd,

00:302026.

00:31>> So moved.

00:32>> Second.

00:33>> We have a

00:35approval of the minutes. I will move

00:36into our next order of business, which

00:39is discussion of the acceptance of a

00:41private pump station,

00:43private pump station serving College

00:45Woods neighborhood.

00:46I don't see any representation from they

00:48contacted us yesterday and asked for

00:51another month to gather whatever

00:54information they need.

00:54>> This is like the third time.

00:55>> We already decided on this, didn't we?

00:57>> We did, but in the process,

01:00they got their meeting dates confused.

01:02That's why they weren't here, and so

01:04we've been trying to work with them.

01:06>> up this time?

01:07>> They're not ready. They're

01:09reviewing documents.

01:11>> I don't know that anything they're going

01:12to say is going to change my mind.

01:14>> The only question I had about it, and I

01:16guess I looking at you is is

01:19if we don't take it over,

01:22what's going to happen to the people

01:23that that you know, been paying their

01:25bills, but now they don't have any

01:28thing to flush the toilet with?

01:29>> If the pump goes down.

01:31>> I think that's the problem, conser-

01:33long-term concern that I have also, is

01:36that this is an asset

01:39of a corporation.

01:40>> Mhm.

01:41>> That corporation

01:43um

01:44needs to find someone to take on

01:48the the corporate assets.

01:51The logical place for that to be is the

01:54HOA.

01:56I don't know

01:57>> they have one, do they?

01:58>> They do have an HOA.

01:59>> Okay.

01:59>> Uh but it specifically does not cover

02:02the pump station.

02:04Nor the other pipes that are in the

02:05neighborhood.

02:07Um because because I've read those HOA

02:09documents and the developer reserved the

02:13pump station

02:15uh be and the trunk lines because they

02:18thought they were going to develop more

02:20land out there. And so wanted to own

02:23those pipes instead of having to work

02:25with an HOA.

02:26>> cover the whole College Woods area, all

02:28three roads? Or is it just the last road

02:30down there?

02:31>> It's

02:32>> It's just the last road.

02:33>> Just the one that's

02:34>> The Arbor Road.

02:35>> Okay, the Arbors, yeah.

02:37So the uh

02:38so my concern is is that

02:41if the corporation goes defunct,

02:45I'm not sure legally what

02:48happens at that point.

02:51I don't know if the HOA can be forced to

02:53take it.

02:55Whether the owners would have to um you

02:59know, someone else would have to buy it

03:01basically.

03:03Or and this is my biggest concern is

03:06that the court that that it we'd end up

03:08in court basically.

03:10Or the health department would you know,

03:12be like, oh this this is a failing pump

03:14station and we're going to uh condemn

03:18these homes cuz they don't have a

03:19operational sewer system.

03:21Um that the court would order us or the

03:24state would order us to take it over.

03:27Um I when we discussed this couple

03:30months ago,

03:31the position that I remember council

03:33taking on it was that well, let the

03:35court force us to do it instead of we

03:37can miss agree and do it.

03:39>> from Forest about what our legal

03:41standing is on this?

03:43>> I mean it's Yeah, we I can I can That's

03:46part of what she's

03:48supposed to be doing to be able to

03:49answer that question is what are our

03:51legal obligations? I think what the the

03:54I think what's going to come back is we

03:56don't have a current legal obligation.

03:59But what happens in the future? And I

04:03don't know if anyone has the answer.

04:04>> All the owners of that corporation are

04:06aging out. They're not They're just

04:07going to bankrupt the company and be

04:09gone and there's no you know

04:11>> And that's kind of what the the point I

04:13wanted to make and this is going to

04:14sound not kind, but those folks are not

04:18our residents and

04:20that impacts our residents.

04:22If if we take on that sewer system, I

04:24have zero desire. I'll take my chances

04:26in court if they want to order us to do

04:27it.

04:28>> Yeah, let's not guarantee the outcome we

04:30don't want by trying to avoid going to

04:32court over it.

04:33>> So let me ask this question.

04:36Do you want our attorney to draft a

04:39letter to this corporation and say the

04:43council's already Yeah, we're not taking

04:45this we're not going to take this on.

04:48So if you

04:51if you want to have further discussion

04:53see you in court.

04:55>> What is their contention because I've

04:57looked at the paperwork that was signed

04:59said we would not take it over from the

05:01beginning. So what is their contention

05:03of what makes them think that we that

05:05they have a a stand to make us take it

05:08over?

05:09>> They don't.

05:10They don't they know that they don't

05:11they can't force you to take it over.

05:13They're asking you to take it over to

05:15get it out of the corporation's name.

05:17>> feel for the people out there that live

05:19out there so cuz I do service a few of

05:21those folks and they've already asked me

05:23about it and I

05:25you know it it

05:26is in black and white. It was they were

05:28told it wasn't going to be taken over.

05:30>> But it when you look into their HOA it

05:33also doesn't give them authority over it

05:35either. That's where the that that to me

05:38is the

05:3925-year-old

05:40error is

05:41>> problem was they could they had to build

05:43a bridge across that creek and that

05:44increased the the where they were going

05:45to try to build those other houses.

05:48>> Unfortunately, that's a risk you run

05:49when you don't buy in the city.

05:51>> That's it.

05:51>> I mean [laughter] that's that's

05:52development. So, there at no point can

05:55we find any evidence that the city was

05:57at all interested in taking on that that

06:00pump station.

06:01>> From my understanding, it was just a

06:02word that they said they were told. I

06:04didn't

06:05>> Yeah, well.

06:06>> Okay.

06:08>> I got a bridge in Arizona.

06:09>> Yeah, you know.

06:10>> Oh, I agree. Don't get me wrong. I'm

06:11just saying that's what I was told.

06:13>> Yeah. So, I mean we can

06:15So, is that

06:16>> Yeah.

06:16>> direction of council?

06:17>> Okay.

06:20>> All right, moving on to our next order

06:22of business. Um update on the sewer

06:24sewer infrastructure and availability.

06:26Uh Director of Public Utilities, Morgan

06:27Huffman.

06:33>> [clears throat]

06:37>> Good morning, Morgan.

06:40I know you're tired of talking about

06:41this.

06:47I'm tired of hearing about it on my

06:48phone.

06:54I don't think your mic's on.

06:56Well, it's on, but it's not on.

07:00Okay.

07:04>> [snorts]

07:05>> I don't know if you wanted to

07:08I mean, we

07:09Council passed the two different

07:11ordinances

07:13uh or policies regarding allocation of

07:15sewer

07:16um pilot area and East Davidson area,

07:19and those are kind of self-evident. Um

07:23in East Davidson in pilot area, it's

07:26over-allocated.

07:27Stop. Full stop. Um

07:29Uh

07:30>> East Davidson area, you said?

07:31>> East Davidson is not. East Davidson,

07:34I've been able to allow 22 projects. Um

07:36and there's three that have not been

07:38allowed

07:39under the the auspices that that were

07:41put into that.

07:43>> Um so

07:46There is development. It's just you may

07:48have some of your larger developers,

07:50they aren't able to do these huge

07:52developments. That That's what's eating

07:54up our That's what's eating up and

07:55causing problems.

07:56>> Let me ask you one specific question. I

07:58was approached by uh some some builders

08:01and one of their engineers that said you

08:03could put grinder pumps in and

08:05accomplish

08:06you know you would you wouldn't have you

08:07could you could get more onto the line

08:10because this cuts down on the what

08:12you're putting through the system. Is

08:13that correct? Am I Am I saying that

08:15properly?

08:17Grinder pumps on each like say

08:18individual houses or grinder pump on an

08:20apartments or something like that where

08:22it could uh cut down on the

08:24>> two different

08:26types of systems.

08:27>> Mhm.

08:28>> And I'm not sure which one they're

08:29talking about.

08:30>> Right.

08:30>> There are houses There are multiple

08:32houses throughout Thomasville that are

08:35on grinder pumps.

08:36>> Does that decrease the size of the line

08:38you use or

08:40>> [cough and clears throat]

08:43>> And um one way of looking at it, yes.

08:45>> Okay.

08:46>> Those houses have to be on grinder pumps

08:48in order to even get the flow to us

08:50because they cannot

08:53be served by gravity.

08:54>> Right.

08:55>> So they're pumping to our to the the

08:57city's gravity system. Now, what I think

09:01those developers are referring to is

09:03what's called a pressure system.

09:05That's what they use down at the beach.

09:07Those are nightmare systems.

09:09>> Really?

09:09>> Yeah. It That would be

09:11>> said grinder so

09:12>> Thomasville is a gravity

09:14Basically, it's a gravity system with

09:16lift stations and force mains that kind

09:18of step it over hills and get it get it

09:19to the treatment plant for for

09:21treatment. Um the those pressure grinder

09:25pump systems, the entire system is a

09:27grinder system. The entire system is a

09:30pressure system. So you're laying

09:32essen- essentially, everything's a force

09:34main.

09:35Um and

09:37>> Do they have to do that just cuz

09:39Do they have to do that cuz there's not

09:41enough change in elevation at the coast?

09:43>> Right, it's all flat.

09:45>> So, you can't take advantage of any of

09:47the natural

09:47>> Right.

09:48>> Okay.

09:48>> Right.

09:50So, that would require a revamp

09:52literally of the entire system.

09:54>> Right.

09:55>> Um, there's no

09:57volume savings there. Yeah.

10:00>> Cuz I I I mean, literally daily I get

10:03asked about this issue. And I'm running

10:05out of answers for these people other

10:06than we just don't have the capacity.

10:09>> Yeah, I mean, we don't. Um

10:12That's

10:14That's reality. Um

10:17You had submitted some questions.

10:19>> Mhm.

10:19>> Um

10:23Uh

10:25Would you like me to

10:26>> Yeah, if you'd go ahead and answer

10:27those.

10:27>> Okay, five questions that you had

10:29submitted.

10:30Question one, what is the actual

10:32remaining capacity at the water and

10:34wastewater plants today? And which parts

10:36of the system are the current

10:37bottlenecks?

10:38Both the water and wastewater plants are

10:40rated at 6 mgd on paper.

10:43Um, the water plant produces about two

10:45and a quarter to two and a half million

10:46gallons a day

10:48of very good quality water. The

10:50wastewater treatment plant treats about

10:53two and a 2.1 to 2.25 million gallons a

10:56day.

10:57Or that's what they did in FY26. It was

10:59a very dry year, though. Um

11:02The water plant is quite old, like

11:04literally 100 years.

11:06>> Is it really that old?

11:07>> Yes.

11:07>> 100 years old? Wow.

11:09>> Um, we're exploring the possibility for

11:12upgrades and replacement with the

11:14existing conventional technology. It's

11:16what's called a conventional plant. Um

11:19that the method that we use there for

11:22treating water or creating water. Um

11:26it cannot produce the full 6 mgd and

11:29produce the high quality water that it

11:30does now. I mean, they won awards

11:33literally every year for the quality of

11:35water they're putting out.

11:36But there's no way they could produce 6

11:38NGD of that high quality.

11:44Plus

11:46the EPA

11:48every 5 years they do what's called the

11:50UMCRs, unregulated contaminants. They

11:54keep adding contaminants, so it's

11:56continual

11:57you're chasing the tail constantly.

12:00>> AS

12:01>> Well, PFAs is one of them. Microplastics

12:03is another. There's all sorts of things

12:05coming along. They have a test for new

12:08new contaminants literally every 5

12:11years. They're constantly adding and

12:14that

12:15Well, we did buy the 2 acres next to it,

12:17but essentially it's landlocked.

12:21So

12:23we're looking at a lot of different

12:25possibilities as far as regarding

12:27upgrading on the water plant.

12:30The wastewater treatment plant is now 20

12:34years old, but still does a good job

12:35meeting modern limits. But just like the

12:37water plant, it will eventually need new

12:39treatment processes added to meet the

12:41new contaminant limits as they are

12:42added.

12:44Second question, based on approved and

12:47pending development, when do we project

12:49hitting capacity limits in area key

12:51areas of the city? The pilot area is

12:53already over allocated. It's already

12:55over capacity. The engineer working on

12:57this area has projected a 90-day

12:59timeline to complete the capacity

13:01analysis and and come up and analyze

13:03some alternatives to address the

13:05capacity.

13:07The agreement is reached

13:09after agreement is reached on which

13:10alternatives to pursue, preliminary

13:13drawings should be completed in another

13:1460 days, and after agreement on these

13:16construction drawings could begin

13:19and could be completed in as little as

13:2130 days potentially. So, 7 to 9 months

13:24probably to be able to get in a position

13:27where we would be able to begin to apply

13:30to get financing.

13:31>> Right.

13:33>> for the work to be performed.

13:35>> Did they give you any dollar figure

13:36about what that looks like?

13:38>> Won't know till we come up with the

13:39alternatives.

13:39>> Okay.

13:42>> Uh East Davidson area has capacity to

13:44allow multiple project types as approved

13:46in the sewer allocation guidance policy.

13:49In the East Davidson

13:51pump station sewer shed, 22 projects

13:53have already been approved and there's

13:55three that do not meet the criteria and

13:56are on hold.

13:58The engineer working on this problem

14:00this project has preliminary

14:02preliminarily presented some concepts to

14:05me, but it's still in the process of

14:07flushing some of these out.

14:08We've gone back and forth talking about

14:10them, but

14:12we're still working on that.

14:13And the Raines Road sewer shed, I'm in

14:15the process of gathering enough data to

14:17have a basis for approving new flow

14:19requests. Based on the preliminary data,

14:22which I have less than a month of data

14:23right now,

14:24I anticipate being able to accommodate

14:26all the requests so far received.

14:28>> Okay.

14:28>> Um

14:29but we do need to get a few more.

14:32>> Because I was asked by one of the

14:33builders who was looking at buying some

14:34lots up that way, but he didn't want to

14:36buy them unless he knew he could get

14:37taps.

14:38>> Yeah.

14:39Uh

14:40depending on what they're doing, if

14:41they're doing single family residences.

14:42>> Single family.

14:44>> We'll probably be able to accommodate

14:45it. Yeah.

14:46>> [snorts]

14:48>> The what?

14:50Yeah, up there. Raines Road.

14:52Uh

14:54Question number three. What are the top

14:55three that would most effectively create

14:58additional capacity and what's the

15:00realistic timeline and cost for each?

15:03The most

15:04effective projects is going to be

15:06upgrades to the Pilot, East Davidson,

15:08and North Side pump stations, including

15:11new force mains, larger force mains.

15:13>> And North Side, where are you talking

15:14about? That's not the Raines Road one.

15:17>> No, it's the

15:19it's the pump station beside 2970.

15:21>> Okay, yeah. Yeah, that's what I thought.

15:23I'm just making sure. Didn't we just

15:25Didn't we just upgrade that?

15:27>> We did some internal upgrades.

15:28>> Okay.

15:29>> The restriction

15:31the key restriction on pretty much every

15:33pump station is the size of the force

15:35main.

15:35>> Right.

15:36>> This force main is also the most

15:38expensive thing you're going to replace.

15:40Cuz they're long, involves

15:43huge inconvenience to a lot of people

15:45because you're digging up through the

15:46yards, through the streets. It's very

15:48labor intensive, very time-consuming.

15:51Um

15:52It's It's a big project. Um realistic

15:56timelines for any of them,

15:58including engineering, analysis, design,

16:00approval, financing, and construction,

16:03is anywhere from 3 to 10 years.

16:06That's If you did something in sewer

16:07water and sewer in 3 years,

16:10you did good.

16:11Let me tell you.

16:12>> Wow.

16:14>> [snorts]

16:14>> Uh

16:15Question number four. How much of the

16:17needed infrastructure work can be

16:18covered by state and federal funding

16:21versus local rates, and what's the

16:22projected rate impact over the next 5

16:24years?

16:25Historically, Thomasville has used 100%

16:28clean water state revolving fund.

16:31Um

16:32in the 20 years I've been doing this,

16:34that's all that's ever been done. That

16:36plus, you know, the occasional

16:38allocated funds as the state did

16:40recently.

16:44The rate projections are handled by a

16:46consultant, Willdan Financial Services,

16:49and they do that every 5 years, and the

16:51study is based in part on the utility

16:53CIP. They also take into account median

16:56household income, that type of thing.

16:58Um

17:01>> And that's scheduled for this year.

17:03>> Yeah. Yes.

17:04>> Well, the reason I ask some of these

17:05questions is to get the information out

17:07there because I get tired of my ear

17:08being worn out every day.

17:09>> Yeah. Yeah.

17:11>> If you could recommend only two actions

17:13for council to take in the next 6 months

17:15to get ahead of this problem, what would

17:16they be?

17:17You're not going to get ahead of it in 6

17:19months.

17:21Full stop. Um

17:24the things you can do is to advocate

17:26with state and federal legislatures to

17:29provide at least

17:3110 times as much funding as they

17:34currently do allocate toward water and

17:35sewer infrastructure. And I'm not

17:37kidding there. I'm not being facetious.

17:41The state legislature marketed North

17:43Carolina for industrial development,

17:45which also has brought the associated

17:48residential development.

17:49They now need to support the development

17:51by funding the infrastructure that will

17:53support the development that they

17:55advocated for and brought.

17:57>> I agree.

17:58>> So.

18:01Time to put the money where the mouth

18:02is.

18:02>> That's it. Infrastructure's key.

18:05>> Yep.

18:06>> Does anybody have any questions for

18:07Morgan?

18:08>> This has got to be affecting

18:10like every municipality in North

18:12Carolina at least, right?

18:14>> Yeah.

18:15>> I mean

18:16it it's kind of a

18:21it affects everybody, but it's kind of

18:22on a s-

18:23I won't say a step-wise or domino basis.

18:26But like several years ago, Union

18:27County, like the whole county, had to

18:30put a moratorium on any development.

18:32>> Wow.

18:34>> Um

18:35because

18:36I mean, you can only build so much.

18:38>> Right.

18:39>> You know.

18:40>> Wow.

18:41>> Without without infrastructure

18:43>> And we're on 85 corridor, so everybody

18:45wants to be here.

18:46>> Yeah.

18:46>> I mean, is there a lobbyist that focuses

18:50on this already, or is it really up to

18:52each

18:52>> Sam does that on on this dummy.

18:54>> Well, I'm thinking as like a a

18:56non-profit that's thinking about

18:57development in North Carolina. You know

18:59how energy groups will have lobbyists?

19:02Is there like a clean water

19:03>> Yes.

19:04>> There is?

19:05>> The North Carolina Rural Water

19:07Association, which we are a member of,

19:09>> Mhm.

19:09>> has

19:11uh the

19:12puts out lots of data. as a matter of

19:14fact they just put out

19:15Sorry.

19:16Let me cut you off.

19:18Um, putting out lots of data regarding

19:22water infrastructure

19:24and

19:25sewer infrastructure by by default. So

19:29there are

19:30groups like that and believe it or not

19:33environmental groups get involved with

19:34this too because if you have

19:36If you don't if you're pulling water out

19:39of the rivers they're not real big fan

19:41of that but they're also not a big fan

19:42of the waste and if the waste spills

19:45that occur. So there's a lot of effort

19:47put in there. Um, but

19:50Um,

19:51the the

19:53the deindustrialization

19:56deindustrialization

19:57that took place in the late 90s

20:00created a cushion for a lot of

20:02jurisdictions to suddenly have ability

20:06to expand in different directions.

20:08That's what's happened to us. You know,

20:10what what you know, we we built $6

20:12million

20:126 million gallon plants

20:15but only do 2 and 1/2 million.

20:17Um, because we don't have the industrial

20:19development using those. Greensboro

20:22freed up millions and millions of

20:25gallons of facility and that's why they

20:28can continue to expand.

20:30So that's where that's where that

20:33long-term view is and as Morgan pointed

20:35out the state's been very encouraging to

20:38get all these developments in here.

20:40But they but so far they have not

20:43invested fully into the infrastructure

20:45and instead put that on our local

20:48table. And as

20:51as we've discussed in the past

20:54for those citizens or excuse me, those

20:57clients of ours that

20:59are outside the city limits they have a

21:02different rate structure than the inside

21:04rates and the legislature is looking at

21:08that, too, and I expect new legislation

21:11to come down on that front that's going

21:13to limit our ability to to charge those

21:16rates, which is going to be another

21:18effect of of cutting the the the

21:22resources to do these expansions. And

21:25you know, we've put got a big investment

21:27in the 64 corridor

21:29from the county

21:31where they're paying for all the

21:33infrastructure, but we're going to end

21:34up paying

21:35for the cost of maintenance long-term.

21:38We're going to have to

21:39to set us We already recognized that we

21:42were going to have to set aside money is

21:44now as those come online to provide that

21:47resource.

21:49But if they don't give us the

21:52opportunity to charge rates

21:55appropriately for those outside

21:57customers,

21:58that's going to affect all of the rates

22:02for everybody.

22:03>> Well, that's what I've said. Raleigh

22:04needs to accommodate, not dictate.

22:06Yeah. They need to help us, not not tell

22:08us what to do.

22:09>> Well,

22:10that

22:10>> Might as well argue with that wall

22:12behind you.

22:12>> [laughter]

22:14>> I I I I I I think we all know how well

22:16that's going right now.

22:17>> Um I just figured since it's a

22:18multi-jurisdictional problem that there

22:21must be somebody who's advocating. So,

22:22it's the North Carolina Rural

22:24>> North Carolina Rural Rural Water

22:26Association is of course I mean the big

22:29cities are advocating for it. The I mean

22:31the the

22:32>> It seems like the big cities are our

22:34size more than anybody.

22:35>> I mean there's

22:36>> They're all in organizations,

22:39>> [snorts]

22:41>> I don't personally know of any

22:44any lobbyist for us.

22:45>> Okay.

22:46>> Yeah.

22:47>> That's helpful.

22:47>> The Morgan,

22:49when I looked at this a lot doing some

22:50research online,

22:52the your larger cities, your

22:54Greensboros, your Winstons, they seem to

22:55be able to deal with this a lot easier

22:57than we are. Then your smaller cities

22:58don't really have the problem. It's It's

23:00sort of like we're in this niche where

23:02we're growing in you know the the 20 to

23:0440,000 people cities that seem to be hit

23:07the hardest from this.

23:09>> Yeah. We I know one of the things I ran

23:11into years ago and learned to live with

23:15is that

23:17we were considered the

23:19most urbanized rural city like in North

23:22Carolina. And I was like, well that's

23:24just

23:25a wonderful place to be because

23:27you're urbanized, so you don't qualify

23:30for any of the rural development money.

23:32So we couldn't get any of that funding

23:34because we're urban.

23:36>> When you look at the budgets of like

23:37Greensboro and Winston, one of them is

23:38almost a billion, 990 million. Winston

23:41750 million. So they can absorb these

23:43costs. You know, we're we're hurting

23:46just we're having to make cuts just to

23:47make it through the year.

23:48>> Yeah, and I mean it's

23:51I mean everybody

23:53everybody all municipalities need money

23:56to work on this.

23:57Um

23:58>> I just don't understand how

23:59infrastructure fell so low to the on the

24:01on the poll.

24:02>> Yeah.

24:04>> Just makes no sense to me.

24:06>> Once you bury it

24:08>> Yeah. Out of sight, out of mind,

24:10literally.

24:11>> Yeah, but when the toilets don't flush,

24:13they're going to be calling us.

24:15Thank you Morgan. I I asked those

24:17questions just so people would know what

24:19the answers are.

24:20>> problem.

24:20>> Thank you Morgan.

24:21>> What about you?

24:22>> Thank you Morgan.

24:23>> Any additions or updates Michael?

24:25>> Uh I do want to just give you a heads-up

24:27on something. Uh

24:28so

24:29you know all those new houses, a good

24:31chunk of them are in Aspen Place, which

24:34is outside

24:35>> which is outside our city limits and so

24:38uh has a higher rate structure for water

24:40and sewer.

24:41Um many of those customers are have been

24:45shocked by their water bills and have

24:47complained about their water and sewer

24:49bills.

24:50Um

24:51we made a conscious decision, we being

24:53the city council at the time when that

24:55was was brought to us to not annex that

24:58neighborhood.

24:59Um

25:01and they've been told that the you know,

25:03it's because you're an outside customer.

25:05So, now some of the some apparently

25:07there's at least some individuals in

25:09that neighborhood that are interested in

25:11potential annexation.

25:13Um and I don't know cuz they haven't

25:16contacted us directly uh from the HOA to

25:19you know, if there if this is an

25:21organized effort or not. But, you

25:24personally may be contacted by people or

25:26see it on Facebook or other social media

25:29about their high bills and things of

25:31that nature.

25:32One of the things that um that people

25:35are being affected by is they've been

25:38watering their lawns. Um that

25:41neighborhood, you know, is turf gra- uh

25:44uh

25:44turf grass in the front and then just

25:46seed in the rest of the house.

25:48Well, all June, July there was no rain,

25:51so they uh

25:53you know, were watering like mad and

25:55didn't understand that that's going to

25:57be a high bill um apparently. So, um so,

26:00we've we've been faced with some people

26:02that have complained about high bills

26:04and because of that situation,

26:07um it is not our responsibility to tell

26:10people what their water bills are. Uh

26:12it's you know, we the rates are

26:13published. The the when they sign up,

26:15they know. Um just like anybody else

26:18when you sign up for Duke Energy, they

26:20don't tell you what the kilowatt hours

26:22are. Um you just pay it. That's

26:25basically what we've faced with, but

26:27there may be a push for that that

26:30neighborhood to ask again for

26:33annexation.

26:34Remember that there's also a pump a

26:36private pump station controlled by the

26:38HOA.

26:40In this case, it's properly been

26:42properly put into the HOA for

26:44maintenance that we would potentially be

26:46responsible for taking over. So,

26:49um I I I you, but just be aware that

26:52that's out there that you may or may not

26:54get contact about it.

26:55>> That's not the people that have been

26:56calling me.

26:57They've called me.

27:02>> All right. Anything any other updates?

27:06I'll work on a motion to adjourn.

27:11>> Second.

27:11>> Second.

27:12>> We are adjourned.

27:27I figured that was going to happen.

27:32>> [laughter]

27:35>> Crazy.