2026-09-09 - Public Safety Committee

Summary

Written from auto-captions with no speaker labels. Note that the city's YouTube upload carrying this meeting is titled "Transportation Committee Meeting" (part 1), while the upload titled "Public Safety Committee Meeting" actually holds the Personnel and Finance Committee (see 2026-09-09 - Personnel and Finance Committee). The committee approved minutes and let the fire and police reports stand. Chuck George reported about 101 open and closed code cases: the private Plant A site has been cleaned but the owner would not disclose plans and there are questions about buried bricks (state rules allow unpainted brick), Taylor Street looks resolved, and Mr. Leak (captioned Leake, 30 Salem Street Enforcement) has an in-house hearing the next Wednesday at 10 a.m. after putting a roof on the building and being told to supply an engineer's letter on structural soundness; members believe the bankrupt demolition contractor reopened under another name (Demolition Site Cleanup on Lexington Avenue and Taylor Street). The police chief presented an amendment to the domestic animals ordinance (heard as Section 1036): livestock other than poultry would need a lot of up to two acres, one animal per two acres of pasture and five at most, with structures 200 feet from neighbors' homes; poultry would be limited to five hens per dwelling, no roosters, none at multifamily housing. Members raised donkeys, horses and pet pigs and asked for a grandfather clause, which the attorney is to draft (Livestock and Poultry Ordinance). Thomasville Fire Rescue asked for a blessing to apply to the state before the October 1 deadline to become a state-deployable swift water rescue team and for administration to sign a required support letter, with no capital request; no objection was heard (Swift Water Rescue Team State Application). The police department reported the Rosedale Drive speed study (average about 25 mph, 85th percentile about 30) and recommended 25 mph, which a state law effective December 1, 2026 would set by default on roads with no center line (Rosedale Drive Speed Limit). The holiday road closure item was garbled in the captions. Stormwater staff said contractors start within about two weeks on the $364,000 STRAP stream-clearing and bank-stabilization grant along Jimmy's Creek near East Meadow Road (Jimmy's Creek Bank Stabilization). No roll-call votes are audible in the captions.

Source: auto-caption transcript of the YouTube upload of the September 9, 2026 Public Safety Committee (uploaded as "Transportation Committee Meeting", part 1).

Issues discussed: 30 Salem Street Enforcement, Demolition Site Cleanup on Lexington Avenue and Taylor Street, Livestock and Poultry Ordinance, Swift Water Rescue Team State Application, Rosedale Drive Speed Limit, Jimmy's Creek Bank Stabilization

Transcript

These are auto-generated YouTube captions with no speaker labels, so names and numbers are likely misheard. The video was mislabeled on YouTube (title says Transportation Committee, part 1); its content is the Public Safety Committee.

Transcript

00:13We're waiting until we're on video.

00:18>> I'd like to call to order our public

00:19safety meeting

00:21September 9th, 2026.

00:25Our first order is approval of minutes.

00:27Can I get approval of our minutes?

00:29Motion to approve and seconded.

00:34>> Next is our monthly update from the fire

00:37department. I'm going to let the report

00:39stand.

00:43Number three is our monthly update from

00:45our police department. I'm going to let

00:48their report stand.

00:51Now we are down to code enforcement

00:53report from Chuck George.

01:07>> [snorts]

01:08>> U so basically I sent out the report to

01:11you for the last uh 30 days uh which had

01:15approximately 100 101 uh open and closed

01:18cases. Um

01:22uh we uh

01:25on u the plan a site as you seen it's

01:28already been sewed installed and so

01:29forth. Uh we did reach out to yesterday

01:33uh to see what their plans are for the

01:35property. Uh they said they're not ready

01:37to disclose that information right now.

01:39Uh I think there was concerns about uh

01:42burying bricks out there and stuff. Uh

01:45based on what I have seen and read, the

01:47state allows for non-chemical painted

01:50bricks can be buried, but uh we try to

01:54reach out to contractor make sure he had

01:56appropriate uh approval from the state

01:58as well, but we haven't heard back from

02:00him. Um Oscar Mahia next door uh

02:04supposed to be signing a contract with

02:06that group to remove the bricks from

02:08that site at 177 here. Uh so hopefully

02:12that would be act they'd be acting on

02:14that very soon. Uh Taylor Street um

02:19everything seems fine there right now.

02:21Uh it's a lot of bricks on skids but

02:23owner can sell those off if he likes. Um

02:27so that site looks like it's been taken

02:29care of. Um

02:33>> what about Mr. Leak?

02:35>> Oh, Mr. Leak. Um, we have a schedule

02:38hearing for him in house next Wednesday

02:40at 10:00 a.m. uh to discuss.

02:45>> Well, that's a different department

02:47there. Uh, but I'm going at him from uh

02:50make sure he get provides the engineer

02:52letter, make sure it's stable inside.

02:55Uh, hopefully he'll get that provided to

02:56us uh and showing it is structurally

02:59sound. Uh, a roof was put on the

03:02building probably two weeks ago. We

03:04discussed when our inspector knows they

03:06put a new roof on there. So maybe he's

03:09making steps to improve the building

03:11right now. Uh but we'll find out more

03:14next week at our meeting with him.

03:17>> It's my understanding

03:19back to the plan.

03:21It's my understanding that demolition

03:24company.

03:26>> It's the different company that did the

03:28the finishing of the project. Yes.

03:30>> Okay. But but the the one that

03:33>> Yeah. I understand they went bankrupt.

03:35Yes.

03:36>> But I do believe that

03:38company

03:41>> what

03:42>> I heard that Mr.

03:46Suns

03:49and it's my understanding that they just

03:53opened it in a different name because

03:55it's the same.

03:58>> I don't know.

04:01>> As long as they're not

04:10They hauled off a lot and bury some in

04:12the low areas in the hole.

04:14>> Mhm. I've seen both

04:20>> any other questions, concerns.

04:23>> All right. Thank you.

04:25>> Okay.

04:28Moving on to discuss discussion of

04:31approval of regards

04:32control

04:35as our chief.

04:50Afternoon, mayor, council.

04:53Um so what we have here is uh bringing

04:55forward a um proposed amendment for

04:58council's consideration to section 1036

05:02of our domestic animals ordinance.

05:04Purpose of the amendment is to provide

05:06clearer standards regarding the keeping

05:07of livestock and poultry within the city

05:09limits. Existing ordinance addresses the

05:12number of dogs and other animals that

05:13may be kept on residential property, but

05:16it does not establish specific acreage

05:17and location requirements for livestock

05:19or limits on the number of poultry that

05:21may be kept. Proposed amendment makes

05:24several changes. First, uh for livestock

05:27other than chickens and or other

05:29poultry, the ordinance would require a

05:32maximum lot size of two acres. Livestock

05:35would be limited to one animal per two

05:37acres of pasture with a maximum of five

05:40animals. Any stable, barn, pen, shelter,

05:43enclosure used for livestock would also

05:46have to be at least 200 ft from a

05:48residential structure on another

05:50property and at least 20 ft from the

05:52property line.

05:54Second, uh the amendment establishes

05:56specific limits for chickens and other

05:58poultry. A maximum of five would be

06:01permitted per dwelling house and the

06:04keeping of poultry under this section

06:05would be limited to hens. Roosters and

06:07other male foul would be prohibited.

06:10Poultry would also uh not be permitted

06:12permit permitted at multifamily dwelling

06:16structures. Um we've also intentionally

06:20separated poultry from the livestock

06:22requirements because the city's existing

06:24definition of livestock includes

06:26chickens.

06:27This allows the ordinance to establish

06:29appropriate standards for larger

06:31livestock without unintentionally

06:33applying the two acre livestock

06:35requirement to someone keeping a small

06:37number of backyard hens. The city's

06:40existing requirements regarding poultry

06:41enclosure, sanitation, and location of

06:43poultry buildings would remain in

06:45effect.

06:46The amendment also removes not for

06:48breeding purposes from the title of

06:50section 1036

06:52and also clarifies that dog breeding

06:54continues to be governing governed

06:57separately by section 1037 and its

07:00existing permitting requirements.

07:03So overall, the intent of the amendment

07:04is to provide clearer and more

07:06enforceable standards for livestock and

07:08poultry within the city while still

07:10allowing residents to keep these animals

07:12when the property and circumstances are

07:14appropriate.

07:15Um and of course the police department

07:17would ask for council's consideration um

07:20in the proposed amendment

07:22>> to domestic animals.

07:23>> Was this grandfather anybody in?

07:25>> So I did not put any type of grandfather

07:28clause in there. Um I would defer that

07:30to the city attorney.

07:36>> True.

07:38>> Right.

07:43>> Yeah. Again, I did not place that in the

07:46proposed ordinance. I would um defer

07:49that to the city attorney uh for

07:50guidance as far as enforcement or future

07:54enforcement.

08:14Miss Williams

08:16is concerned [snorts]

08:17about this ordinance in regards to

08:23the fact that there are donkeys, horses,

08:25and personal pigs that people keep as

08:29animals as pets. Um, and how that would

08:33fit into this

08:35And our livestock ordinance as I

08:38understand it includes which would

08:40include donkeys and it includes swine.

08:44So that would mean that we unless there

08:47was a grandfather clause built into it

08:50or some sort of carve out um that

08:53allowed for one swine for instance or a

08:57size that this would apply to.

09:05Yeah.

09:17>> Well, I mean, that's some of the

09:18earliest ordinances on most city books

09:20are deal with the keeping of livestock

09:24on resial property.

09:25>> Yeah.

09:26>> So, that's what was first enforced was

09:29those types of laws.

09:33Yes.

09:35>> This was essentially partially generated

09:38by

09:40>> a trailer park,

09:41>> I believe. So, yes,

09:47>> Albertson, I think.

09:48>> Yeah.

09:49Wahoo trailer park, I believe.

09:56>> Yeah. So I guess my our question to

09:59council is um do you want there to be

10:03grandfathering and do we need so that we

10:06need to get Misty to to write up a

10:09clause on the grandfathering or do you

10:11want to address it from a number of

10:15animals or size of animal to address or

10:19all three types of things?

10:33uh

10:35>> Park.

10:36>> What is it? Yeah, Grimes Park. That's

10:38correct.

10:44>> That's probably uh you maybe an acre and

10:46a quarter, acre and a half. Just

10:51I mean, I'm sure

10:54[snorts]

10:54>> that'd be my estimate, you know, without

10:57GIS, obviously.

11:05>> I can look it up.

11:09First grandp

11:21our citizens. So I would like to call

11:23the people that are currently there and

11:26set that move forward.

11:40Well,

11:41I'm not sure if we'll be able to get the

11:44grand father clause written between now

11:46and

11:49>> agenda for

11:51it.

12:00>> All right. Thank council.

12:02Thank you.

12:08>> Police Department.

12:15>> I'm sorry, Jason.

12:17>> Consideration for the TFR to submit

12:22application to state emergency

12:23management operations. And that is our

12:30[snorts]

12:33Good afternoon.

12:35We're going to keep this short and sweet

12:37on behalf of time.

12:39[laughter]

12:42>> So, I do have a short video I want to

12:44show you. I know there's a couple new uh

12:47members on council uh since we discussed

12:50this in August of 25. Uh at the time,

12:53they put us uh they they quit taking

12:56applications on the state level for new

12:59teams. So, we actually had to uh back up

13:02and punt. They talked like it would be

13:04about 18 months. Here we are. They have

13:05a October 1st deadline now. And things

13:08have changed within tax funding and

13:11property values and everything since

13:12then. So, we'll hit on that just a

13:14second. But, I'm going to let this video

13:16to play uh while we are discussing. This

13:20is in Stanley County. This tells you how

13:23much the state is willing to invest in

13:25swiftwater teams. They have recently

13:27completed this swiftwater training

13:29facility uh at the tune of $87 million.

13:32Uh it's not just for the swiftwater.

13:35They also have a fuselage for training

13:37with uh aircraft firefighting. Uh and

13:40that is all in Stanley County at the

13:42airport and it's a combination of the

13:44National Guard and Office of State Fire

13:47Marshall. So this will play for a

13:48second. This gives you an idea.

13:50>> First responders have to train

13:51extensively

13:53volume or not. Even if I turn it on my

13:55computer. Let me back. Okay. How that?

13:58If not, I'll just let it let it play and

14:00narrate it

14:01>> for when the worst happens.

14:02>> So, it will swap over here in just a

14:04second. This is the facility uh for the

14:06swift water. You can see full size boats

14:09here at Stanley.

14:10>> They actually have flooded structures

14:13that no

14:13>> and underwater barriers. So this allows

14:16for everyone for the unthinkable and

14:19after performing these rescues teams to

14:21go train.

14:23This is one of the premier swift water

14:25training facilities on the east coast

14:27said that this would have prepared us

14:29for back in 99 with hurricane

14:33>> those needs I believe

14:36that cause so much that's when they

14:38started putting these teams to prep

14:41starts in the water and then hurricane

14:45conditions they'll face when a flood

14:46warning

14:47>> currently today emergency fast moving

14:49current submerged 30 teams across in

14:52split second decisions.

14:54>> So the intention of the facility is to

14:56recreate or have an environment of the

14:59reason they put a train on personel in a

15:03fastpac

15:06recreate flooding scenarios that they'll

15:09face on the street during a during a

15:11hurricane or a flooding environment.

15:13>> But training first responders is how

15:15they have to battle time and again flood

15:18warnings go. This gives you an example.

15:19>> Flooding is dangerous period. Whether

15:21it's slow rising flood waters or

15:24flooding that brings swift

15:25>> it does and that's the reason we have so

15:27much interest in the swift water team

15:29because there's about 19 there is 19

15:33certified swift water technicians

15:35complacency like you know that tends to

15:37always come out

15:40in they enjoy this it creates

15:43complacency but

15:44>> but we have the opportunity now you know

15:46not only several years you know the

15:49people that live are remember that they

15:52become a state deployable for our

15:54neighbors to the west and to the east.

15:56>> They're going to heed those warnings

15:59seriously deployable over to our

16:01neighboring counties as well. Just like

16:02Davy County, this is going to help them

16:04out because ignoring those warnings,

16:06they were brought

16:09to come save you and they are state

16:11deployable. We need to have our first

16:14responders.

16:20[music]

16:22You have to be uh on your own for 72

16:25hours

16:25>> in Stanley County. These first

16:26responders are training here so that

16:28when [music] the water

16:30>> because it's not a question of if but

16:32when

16:33>> they will be ready to help save. We did

16:36go back through the list again and look

16:38at absolutely

16:39>> Anthony and all the other first

16:40responders that I spoke to. Ask that you

16:42do your part. Next time a flash flood

16:44warning is issued in your area, make

16:46sure you take the correct

16:48>> to meet the and some things as long as

16:50we have it in the in our

16:53>> possession. Uh it we don't have to have

16:56our own and some of those will come into

16:59play uh later on as we if we get

17:03accepted to the team. So, what we're I'm

17:05asking for today is we were uh going

17:09going to go for this. I know I spoke to

17:11you all last year. That was some money

17:13that at the time was available for some

17:16purchasing equipment and the double

17:18stack boat trailer got pulled uh to help

17:21with some hiring with a hiring freeze.

17:23And that's perfectly fine. We can do

17:25without. We can make do without that.

17:27what we're looking to do and what we're

17:30funding right now is items that we are

17:32required to have to make the list. One

17:36of the things um we're having to

17:39purchase a spare outboard motor and

17:41anybody that knows outboard motors know

17:43those are expensive. Plus, they require

17:45some kind of prop or prop guard, pump

17:48jet, or jet drive in order not to cut

17:52somebody's foot or to hurt someone,

17:55injure someone when you're trying to

17:56rescue them. That's the last thing we

17:57want to do. [snorts] So, uh I am asking

18:01for blessing to go ahead and pursue this

18:04application. Uh we are not up here

18:06asking for any capital money at the

18:09time. This if we are state or become

18:12state deployable then if there is money

18:14that becomes available to the state.

18:16They devy it out amongst the teams. It

18:18allows us to possibly it says an

18:20application in bold print and

18:22underlined. Just because you're accepted

18:24doesn't mean that there's money. uh but

18:27they do tend to fund some of their state

18:30deployable assets versus we have been so

18:33totally self-funded so far but with us

18:35having such a great team such uh skill

18:38level we wanted to be assisting our

18:41neighbors as well so I'm looking for the

18:42blessing to proceed with this and we are

18:45purchasing those needed and required

18:47items out of our current budget by

18:50tightening the purse strings a little

18:51bit on other line items and we're we're

18:55good to go at had. I'm being very

18:56frugal. I'm going to talk to the

18:58inspectors that come out and make sure

19:00you have the equipment. There's no

19:01reason for us to buy a deployable

19:03shelter for six people and CS if we're

19:06not going to be accepted onto the team.

19:08I'll just be prepared to purchase if we

19:11get the acceptance. Uh so

19:14the other thing is if if you all do give

19:16your blessing uh also I'll a blessing

19:20for the administration um either staff

19:23or the mayor to sign a letter of support

19:26that is required for that application.

19:28But that's what I'm here for today is to

19:29ask for that continued support to move

19:31forward with this.

19:36>> Okay. Thank you.

19:38No, there's no

19:41>> Thank you.

19:46>> Number seven, discussion of

19:48recommendations by police department.

20:08So, um, at the request of council, uh,

20:11we conducted a speed study on Rosedale

20:12Drive, uh, between the period of June

20:149th, June 25th, uh, to determine whether

20:17the current 35 mile per hour speed limit

20:19should be reduced to 25. Um, also

20:22evaluate the road roadway

20:23characteristics. Uh, the study showed an

20:25average speed of approximately 25 miles

20:27per hour with an 85th percentile speed

20:30of approximately 30 miles per hour.

20:32Based on those results, we did not

20:33identify a significant speeding problem.

20:36Uh in fact, most motorists are already

20:38traveling well below the 35 uh current

20:41speed limit. Uh however, we also

20:43consider the residential nature of

20:45Rosdale Drive and the site distance uh

20:47concern near the Hill Crest. Based on

20:49the roadway characteristics and actual

20:52operating operating speeds, uh the

20:54police department believes that 25 miles

20:55per hour is an appropriate speed uh for

20:58this section of Rosedale Drive. Um,

21:01there is also a recent change in North

21:03Carolina law that affects our

21:05recommendation.

21:06Rosedale Drive is not marked with a

21:08center line and currently has no posted

21:10speed limit signs. Under current law,

21:13the default speed within municipal

21:14limits is 35 miles per hour. Effective

21:17December 1st, 2026, an amendment to

21:20North Carolina Journal Statute 20-141

21:24establishes a 25 mile per hour default

21:26speed on roadways that are unpaved or

21:30not marked with a center line.

21:33Therefore, uh although the police

21:35department supports a 25 mile per hour

21:36speed limit for Rosedale Drive, we do

21:39not anticipate that separate council

21:40action will be necessary to accomplish

21:42that change after December 1st. Uh we

21:45also recommend that the city attorney

21:47review the amended statute uh prior to

21:49its effective date just to confirm its

21:51applicability uh and also determine

21:53whether any additional ordinance or

21:55implementation considerations.

21:57Um so in summary, the study did not

21:59identify a significant speeding problem,

22:01but it did support 25 miles per hour as

22:04an appropriate speed for the roadway.

22:06With it uh with the change in state law

22:08taking effect December 1st, we believe

22:10the appropriate course is is to allow

22:12that change to take effect. obviously

22:14subjective to the final review of the

22:17city attorney

22:20and we'll also uh be sure to work with

22:22uh public works uh because clearly we

22:24have a lot of roadways in Thomasville

22:27that are not marked with center lines.

22:29So uh that can be certainly an impact uh

22:33for roadways in

22:35>> Thomasville

22:41that is coming from the state. Yeah.

22:43>> Do you have a method of what you're

22:45going to do to help kind of put that

22:46information out there?

22:47>> Sure. We'll have a um public safety

22:51announcement um you know, social media,

22:55educating the public before the date

22:56gets here. Um and then obviously we

22:58we'll run an educational campaign uh

23:00just to educate our our citizenry. Hey,

23:03this this is a a new change in law. Um

23:06and we're out here to try to educate uh

23:08before enforcement takes place. So,

23:11>> I appreciate that.

23:15Absolutely. All right. Thank you all.

23:17>> Thank you.

23:20>> I have to admit I did not realize that

23:22law had had taken effect. As we

23:24discussed, there's a lot of laws out

23:26there that that are going taking effect.

23:29And of all the things that the

23:31legislature did, this is probably the

23:34best one that they could have done

23:36because I long felt that 35 was too fast

23:39for most neighborhoods. And so,

23:46But it will mean that we'll have to

23:48decide there are probably some roads

23:50that still need to be 35 after this. So

23:53then we'll have to approve specific

23:56ordinance for those mark them as 35. So

24:01this will be a process we'll go through

24:03and take a look at the

24:07moving along. Number eight, road closure

24:10ordinances for light of the holiday and

24:13Christmas.

24:18These are recurring road closures for

24:20nothing.

24:38project and progress.

24:42Sam

24:46>> Sam is just fine.

24:49Sam is just fine. Um can y'all scroll to

24:52the documents for that?

24:56Uh so next week we are well we are not

24:59but contractors are going to be on the

25:00ground doing the work. Um, this has been

25:02a long time coming, but dealing with

25:03anything in a creek, EPA, um,

25:08Army Corps of Engineers, everybody had

25:10to put their blessing on it. So, we

25:11finally got all that, uh, through

25:12confirmation of no rise, which basically

25:14means that the work we're going to be

25:15doing is not going to make flooding

25:16worse. Um, obviously any work that we do

25:19that tries to assist in flood

25:22mitigation, um, has to confirm that it's

25:24not going to make it worse. The other

25:26thing everybody looks for also is to

25:28make flooding go away. That will never

25:30happen. Obviously, 100red-year flood

25:32planes, thousand-year flood events, it's

25:35just not going to happen. So, just as a

25:36review, uh this is the strap program um

25:40which is the string bank stabilization

25:42and creek cleanout for the Jimmy's Creek

25:45um along the East Meadow Road area. Um

25:48there's four partals that are going to

25:50be impacted by this. Um one of those is

25:54the um the 325 East Meadow Road. That is

25:58our NFIP, our National Flood Insurance

26:00Program, severe repetitive loss, which

26:03basically means it's had up to $20,000

26:06worth of damage multiple times. Um,

26:08that's the base my house with the pool.

26:10Yes, sir. Sure is. Um, so Michael, if

26:13you want to add any into this as far as

26:15the the concept of it or um this has

26:19been a long time coming. Um we the

26:22family that lived there reached out to

26:24us uh after storms a couple of years ago

26:28and uh we uh were able to identify a

26:32grant that we could apply for which we

26:35did which was a strap grant and we've

26:37been working through we taken vegetation

26:42along the stream corridor trying to

26:45clean it so it mov so the water moves.

26:48Uh and this is that last I you know I

26:51don't know I don't think that this will

26:53solve the flooding problem but it should

26:55at least

27:02>> probably

27:12hoping that this will certainly help

27:13their situations

27:15um moving forward but as Sam said you

27:19You can't you can't completely prepare

27:22against

27:23>> flood. This has been a long process.

27:27I'm glad we're getting to this end, but

27:31we'll hope that it does some good for

27:33them.

27:38>> So, there there are other grant

27:39opportunities. Um there's the uh swift

27:41flow grant opportunity where they can do

27:43some elevations of their houses and I've

27:45tried to give as much information to

27:47those land owners as I can but it's

27:48obviously their responsibility to apply

27:50for those. Um so this was a $364,000

27:54grant. Uh out of that we had $10,000 in

27:56like kind matching. So my my salary

27:59doing my time going out meeting with

28:01loaners um using dump trucks things like

28:03that. So that's what we're planning on

28:05using that for. So hopefully no true

28:07funding will come out of the budget for

28:08that. Um we've got about $218,000 left

28:11for the the actual physical work of the

28:13job which should take less than a month.

28:16Um but we just want to give y'all an

28:18update and let you know the boots are

28:19going to be on the ground hopefully in

28:20the next two weeks doing that work

28:28and backyard.

28:32I haven't been back in there in a while

28:33that we've done some riding, but it's

28:35mainly been on the rightway. Um,

28:46>> 4x4 that would be the police

28:51>> could have been Yeah.

29:00>> Yeah. That's probably they were probably

29:02checking the right way to make sure

29:05being maintained.

29:06>> Sam, thank you for the update.

29:08>> Yes, sir.

29:09>> And I remember when we were talking

29:10about this um now seeing how long this

29:13process is going down, have you thought

29:15about um know time as some of the other

29:19properties that are also being impacted

29:20by the creek

29:21>> and um are we thinking about when the

29:24process of trying to maybe reapply this

29:25grant even though we haven't got started

29:27this process but think about getting

29:29started that process to hopefully

29:31address some of these other properties

29:33that are also be impacted even though we

29:35>> Yeah. address.

29:36>> Yeah, absolutely. Um, strap

29:38unfortunately has been changed a little

29:41bit. It was a North Carolina

29:42agricultural grant now with North

29:44Carolina pulling back some funds and

29:46doing other things. Um, this is one

29:47that's pretty much been sunseted. Yeah,

29:51there are some federal grants that of

29:52course we'll try to apply for. Um, but a

29:54lot of times those federal grants comes

29:56down to the actual land owner

29:57themselves. Um, and I have been in

29:59contact with a couple of the other land

30:01owners. There there was a repetitive

30:02loss, not a severe repetitive loss, uh,

30:04a little bit further down the road

30:06towards the pilot drive or pilot school

30:08road. And I've given him some

30:09information about it as well. But yeah,

30:13>> uh, they're close. Yeah, I know the the

30:15severe repetitive loss. Yes, they have

30:16been cut off multiple times, but they

30:18still have to have it. Yep. Just because

30:20of that flood plane that they sit in.

30:23>> It's expensive.

30:24>> Yeah, it is. Flooding is expensive.

30:27Absolutely. Thank y'all. Thank you.

31:20Who is it?