2026-09-09 - Public Safety Committee
Summary
Written from auto-captions with no speaker labels. Note that the city's YouTube upload carrying this meeting is titled "Transportation Committee Meeting" (part 1), while the upload titled "Public Safety Committee Meeting" actually holds the Personnel and Finance Committee (see 2026-09-09 - Personnel and Finance Committee). The committee approved minutes and let the fire and police reports stand. Chuck George reported about 101 open and closed code cases: the private Plant A site has been cleaned but the owner would not disclose plans and there are questions about buried bricks (state rules allow unpainted brick), Taylor Street looks resolved, and Mr. Leak (captioned Leake, 30 Salem Street Enforcement) has an in-house hearing the next Wednesday at 10 a.m. after putting a roof on the building and being told to supply an engineer's letter on structural soundness; members believe the bankrupt demolition contractor reopened under another name (Demolition Site Cleanup on Lexington Avenue and Taylor Street). The police chief presented an amendment to the domestic animals ordinance (heard as Section 1036): livestock other than poultry would need a lot of up to two acres, one animal per two acres of pasture and five at most, with structures 200 feet from neighbors' homes; poultry would be limited to five hens per dwelling, no roosters, none at multifamily housing. Members raised donkeys, horses and pet pigs and asked for a grandfather clause, which the attorney is to draft (Livestock and Poultry Ordinance). Thomasville Fire Rescue asked for a blessing to apply to the state before the October 1 deadline to become a state-deployable swift water rescue team and for administration to sign a required support letter, with no capital request; no objection was heard (Swift Water Rescue Team State Application). The police department reported the Rosedale Drive speed study (average about 25 mph, 85th percentile about 30) and recommended 25 mph, which a state law effective December 1, 2026 would set by default on roads with no center line (Rosedale Drive Speed Limit). The holiday road closure item was garbled in the captions. Stormwater staff said contractors start within about two weeks on the $364,000 STRAP stream-clearing and bank-stabilization grant along Jimmy's Creek near East Meadow Road (Jimmy's Creek Bank Stabilization). No roll-call votes are audible in the captions.
Source: auto-caption transcript of the YouTube upload of the September 9, 2026 Public Safety Committee (uploaded as "Transportation Committee Meeting", part 1).
Issues discussed: 30 Salem Street Enforcement, Demolition Site Cleanup on Lexington Avenue and Taylor Street, Livestock and Poultry Ordinance, Swift Water Rescue Team State Application, Rosedale Drive Speed Limit, Jimmy's Creek Bank Stabilization
Transcript
These are auto-generated YouTube captions with no speaker labels, so names and numbers are likely misheard. The video was mislabeled on YouTube (title says Transportation Committee, part 1); its content is the Public Safety Committee.
Transcript
00:13We're waiting until we're on video.
00:18>> I'd like to call to order our public
00:19safety meeting
00:21September 9th, 2026.
00:25Our first order is approval of minutes.
00:27Can I get approval of our minutes?
00:29Motion to approve and seconded.
00:34>> Next is our monthly update from the fire
00:37department. I'm going to let the report
00:39stand.
00:43Number three is our monthly update from
00:45our police department. I'm going to let
00:48their report stand.
00:51Now we are down to code enforcement
00:53report from Chuck George.
01:07>> [snorts]
01:08>> U so basically I sent out the report to
01:11you for the last uh 30 days uh which had
01:15approximately 100 101 uh open and closed
01:18cases. Um
01:22uh we uh
01:25on u the plan a site as you seen it's
01:28already been sewed installed and so
01:29forth. Uh we did reach out to yesterday
01:33uh to see what their plans are for the
01:35property. Uh they said they're not ready
01:37to disclose that information right now.
01:39Uh I think there was concerns about uh
01:42burying bricks out there and stuff. Uh
01:45based on what I have seen and read, the
01:47state allows for non-chemical painted
01:50bricks can be buried, but uh we try to
01:54reach out to contractor make sure he had
01:56appropriate uh approval from the state
01:58as well, but we haven't heard back from
02:00him. Um Oscar Mahia next door uh
02:04supposed to be signing a contract with
02:06that group to remove the bricks from
02:08that site at 177 here. Uh so hopefully
02:12that would be act they'd be acting on
02:14that very soon. Uh Taylor Street um
02:19everything seems fine there right now.
02:21Uh it's a lot of bricks on skids but
02:23owner can sell those off if he likes. Um
02:27so that site looks like it's been taken
02:29care of. Um
02:33>> what about Mr. Leak?
02:35>> Oh, Mr. Leak. Um, we have a schedule
02:38hearing for him in house next Wednesday
02:40at 10:00 a.m. uh to discuss.
02:45>> Well, that's a different department
02:47there. Uh, but I'm going at him from uh
02:50make sure he get provides the engineer
02:52letter, make sure it's stable inside.
02:55Uh, hopefully he'll get that provided to
02:56us uh and showing it is structurally
02:59sound. Uh, a roof was put on the
03:02building probably two weeks ago. We
03:04discussed when our inspector knows they
03:06put a new roof on there. So maybe he's
03:09making steps to improve the building
03:11right now. Uh but we'll find out more
03:14next week at our meeting with him.
03:17>> It's my understanding
03:19back to the plan.
03:21It's my understanding that demolition
03:24company.
03:26>> It's the different company that did the
03:28the finishing of the project. Yes.
03:30>> Okay. But but the the one that
03:33>> Yeah. I understand they went bankrupt.
03:35Yes.
03:36>> But I do believe that
03:38company
03:41>> what
03:42>> I heard that Mr.
03:46Suns
03:49and it's my understanding that they just
03:53opened it in a different name because
03:55it's the same.
03:58>> I don't know.
04:01>> As long as they're not
04:10They hauled off a lot and bury some in
04:12the low areas in the hole.
04:14>> Mhm. I've seen both
04:20>> any other questions, concerns.
04:23>> All right. Thank you.
04:25>> Okay.
04:28Moving on to discuss discussion of
04:31approval of regards
04:32control
04:35as our chief.
04:50Afternoon, mayor, council.
04:53Um so what we have here is uh bringing
04:55forward a um proposed amendment for
04:58council's consideration to section 1036
05:02of our domestic animals ordinance.
05:04Purpose of the amendment is to provide
05:06clearer standards regarding the keeping
05:07of livestock and poultry within the city
05:09limits. Existing ordinance addresses the
05:12number of dogs and other animals that
05:13may be kept on residential property, but
05:16it does not establish specific acreage
05:17and location requirements for livestock
05:19or limits on the number of poultry that
05:21may be kept. Proposed amendment makes
05:24several changes. First, uh for livestock
05:27other than chickens and or other
05:29poultry, the ordinance would require a
05:32maximum lot size of two acres. Livestock
05:35would be limited to one animal per two
05:37acres of pasture with a maximum of five
05:40animals. Any stable, barn, pen, shelter,
05:43enclosure used for livestock would also
05:46have to be at least 200 ft from a
05:48residential structure on another
05:50property and at least 20 ft from the
05:52property line.
05:54Second, uh the amendment establishes
05:56specific limits for chickens and other
05:58poultry. A maximum of five would be
06:01permitted per dwelling house and the
06:04keeping of poultry under this section
06:05would be limited to hens. Roosters and
06:07other male foul would be prohibited.
06:10Poultry would also uh not be permitted
06:12permit permitted at multifamily dwelling
06:16structures. Um we've also intentionally
06:20separated poultry from the livestock
06:22requirements because the city's existing
06:24definition of livestock includes
06:26chickens.
06:27This allows the ordinance to establish
06:29appropriate standards for larger
06:31livestock without unintentionally
06:33applying the two acre livestock
06:35requirement to someone keeping a small
06:37number of backyard hens. The city's
06:40existing requirements regarding poultry
06:41enclosure, sanitation, and location of
06:43poultry buildings would remain in
06:45effect.
06:46The amendment also removes not for
06:48breeding purposes from the title of
06:50section 1036
06:52and also clarifies that dog breeding
06:54continues to be governing governed
06:57separately by section 1037 and its
07:00existing permitting requirements.
07:03So overall, the intent of the amendment
07:04is to provide clearer and more
07:06enforceable standards for livestock and
07:08poultry within the city while still
07:10allowing residents to keep these animals
07:12when the property and circumstances are
07:14appropriate.
07:15Um and of course the police department
07:17would ask for council's consideration um
07:20in the proposed amendment
07:22>> to domestic animals.
07:23>> Was this grandfather anybody in?
07:25>> So I did not put any type of grandfather
07:28clause in there. Um I would defer that
07:30to the city attorney.
07:36>> True.
07:38>> Right.
07:43>> Yeah. Again, I did not place that in the
07:46proposed ordinance. I would um defer
07:49that to the city attorney uh for
07:50guidance as far as enforcement or future
07:54enforcement.
08:14Miss Williams
08:16is concerned [snorts]
08:17about this ordinance in regards to
08:23the fact that there are donkeys, horses,
08:25and personal pigs that people keep as
08:29animals as pets. Um, and how that would
08:33fit into this
08:35And our livestock ordinance as I
08:38understand it includes which would
08:40include donkeys and it includes swine.
08:44So that would mean that we unless there
08:47was a grandfather clause built into it
08:50or some sort of carve out um that
08:53allowed for one swine for instance or a
08:57size that this would apply to.
09:05Yeah.
09:17>> Well, I mean, that's some of the
09:18earliest ordinances on most city books
09:20are deal with the keeping of livestock
09:24on resial property.
09:25>> Yeah.
09:26>> So, that's what was first enforced was
09:29those types of laws.
09:33Yes.
09:35>> This was essentially partially generated
09:38by
09:40>> a trailer park,
09:41>> I believe. So, yes,
09:47>> Albertson, I think.
09:48>> Yeah.
09:49Wahoo trailer park, I believe.
09:56>> Yeah. So I guess my our question to
09:59council is um do you want there to be
10:03grandfathering and do we need so that we
10:06need to get Misty to to write up a
10:09clause on the grandfathering or do you
10:11want to address it from a number of
10:15animals or size of animal to address or
10:19all three types of things?
10:33uh
10:35>> Park.
10:36>> What is it? Yeah, Grimes Park. That's
10:38correct.
10:44>> That's probably uh you maybe an acre and
10:46a quarter, acre and a half. Just
10:51I mean, I'm sure
10:54[snorts]
10:54>> that'd be my estimate, you know, without
10:57GIS, obviously.
11:05>> I can look it up.
11:09First grandp
11:21our citizens. So I would like to call
11:23the people that are currently there and
11:26set that move forward.
11:40Well,
11:41I'm not sure if we'll be able to get the
11:44grand father clause written between now
11:46and
11:49>> agenda for
11:51it.
12:00>> All right. Thank council.
12:02Thank you.
12:08>> Police Department.
12:15>> I'm sorry, Jason.
12:17>> Consideration for the TFR to submit
12:22application to state emergency
12:23management operations. And that is our
12:30[snorts]
12:33Good afternoon.
12:35We're going to keep this short and sweet
12:37on behalf of time.
12:39[laughter]
12:42>> So, I do have a short video I want to
12:44show you. I know there's a couple new uh
12:47members on council uh since we discussed
12:50this in August of 25. Uh at the time,
12:53they put us uh they they quit taking
12:56applications on the state level for new
12:59teams. So, we actually had to uh back up
13:02and punt. They talked like it would be
13:04about 18 months. Here we are. They have
13:05a October 1st deadline now. And things
13:08have changed within tax funding and
13:11property values and everything since
13:12then. So, we'll hit on that just a
13:14second. But, I'm going to let this video
13:16to play uh while we are discussing. This
13:20is in Stanley County. This tells you how
13:23much the state is willing to invest in
13:25swiftwater teams. They have recently
13:27completed this swiftwater training
13:29facility uh at the tune of $87 million.
13:32Uh it's not just for the swiftwater.
13:35They also have a fuselage for training
13:37with uh aircraft firefighting. Uh and
13:40that is all in Stanley County at the
13:42airport and it's a combination of the
13:44National Guard and Office of State Fire
13:47Marshall. So this will play for a
13:48second. This gives you an idea.
13:50>> First responders have to train
13:51extensively
13:53volume or not. Even if I turn it on my
13:55computer. Let me back. Okay. How that?
13:58If not, I'll just let it let it play and
14:00narrate it
14:01>> for when the worst happens.
14:02>> So, it will swap over here in just a
14:04second. This is the facility uh for the
14:06swift water. You can see full size boats
14:09here at Stanley.
14:10>> They actually have flooded structures
14:13that no
14:13>> and underwater barriers. So this allows
14:16for everyone for the unthinkable and
14:19after performing these rescues teams to
14:21go train.
14:23This is one of the premier swift water
14:25training facilities on the east coast
14:27said that this would have prepared us
14:29for back in 99 with hurricane
14:33>> those needs I believe
14:36that cause so much that's when they
14:38started putting these teams to prep
14:41starts in the water and then hurricane
14:45conditions they'll face when a flood
14:46warning
14:47>> currently today emergency fast moving
14:49current submerged 30 teams across in
14:52split second decisions.
14:54>> So the intention of the facility is to
14:56recreate or have an environment of the
14:59reason they put a train on personel in a
15:03fastpac
15:06recreate flooding scenarios that they'll
15:09face on the street during a during a
15:11hurricane or a flooding environment.
15:13>> But training first responders is how
15:15they have to battle time and again flood
15:18warnings go. This gives you an example.
15:19>> Flooding is dangerous period. Whether
15:21it's slow rising flood waters or
15:24flooding that brings swift
15:25>> it does and that's the reason we have so
15:27much interest in the swift water team
15:29because there's about 19 there is 19
15:33certified swift water technicians
15:35complacency like you know that tends to
15:37always come out
15:40in they enjoy this it creates
15:43complacency but
15:44>> but we have the opportunity now you know
15:46not only several years you know the
15:49people that live are remember that they
15:52become a state deployable for our
15:54neighbors to the west and to the east.
15:56>> They're going to heed those warnings
15:59seriously deployable over to our
16:01neighboring counties as well. Just like
16:02Davy County, this is going to help them
16:04out because ignoring those warnings,
16:06they were brought
16:09to come save you and they are state
16:11deployable. We need to have our first
16:14responders.
16:20[music]
16:22You have to be uh on your own for 72
16:25hours
16:25>> in Stanley County. These first
16:26responders are training here so that
16:28when [music] the water
16:30>> because it's not a question of if but
16:32when
16:33>> they will be ready to help save. We did
16:36go back through the list again and look
16:38at absolutely
16:39>> Anthony and all the other first
16:40responders that I spoke to. Ask that you
16:42do your part. Next time a flash flood
16:44warning is issued in your area, make
16:46sure you take the correct
16:48>> to meet the and some things as long as
16:50we have it in the in our
16:53>> possession. Uh it we don't have to have
16:56our own and some of those will come into
16:59play uh later on as we if we get
17:03accepted to the team. So, what we're I'm
17:05asking for today is we were uh going
17:09going to go for this. I know I spoke to
17:11you all last year. That was some money
17:13that at the time was available for some
17:16purchasing equipment and the double
17:18stack boat trailer got pulled uh to help
17:21with some hiring with a hiring freeze.
17:23And that's perfectly fine. We can do
17:25without. We can make do without that.
17:27what we're looking to do and what we're
17:30funding right now is items that we are
17:32required to have to make the list. One
17:36of the things um we're having to
17:39purchase a spare outboard motor and
17:41anybody that knows outboard motors know
17:43those are expensive. Plus, they require
17:45some kind of prop or prop guard, pump
17:48jet, or jet drive in order not to cut
17:52somebody's foot or to hurt someone,
17:55injure someone when you're trying to
17:56rescue them. That's the last thing we
17:57want to do. [snorts] So, uh I am asking
18:01for blessing to go ahead and pursue this
18:04application. Uh we are not up here
18:06asking for any capital money at the
18:09time. This if we are state or become
18:12state deployable then if there is money
18:14that becomes available to the state.
18:16They devy it out amongst the teams. It
18:18allows us to possibly it says an
18:20application in bold print and
18:22underlined. Just because you're accepted
18:24doesn't mean that there's money. uh but
18:27they do tend to fund some of their state
18:30deployable assets versus we have been so
18:33totally self-funded so far but with us
18:35having such a great team such uh skill
18:38level we wanted to be assisting our
18:41neighbors as well so I'm looking for the
18:42blessing to proceed with this and we are
18:45purchasing those needed and required
18:47items out of our current budget by
18:50tightening the purse strings a little
18:51bit on other line items and we're we're
18:55good to go at had. I'm being very
18:56frugal. I'm going to talk to the
18:58inspectors that come out and make sure
19:00you have the equipment. There's no
19:01reason for us to buy a deployable
19:03shelter for six people and CS if we're
19:06not going to be accepted onto the team.
19:08I'll just be prepared to purchase if we
19:11get the acceptance. Uh so
19:14the other thing is if if you all do give
19:16your blessing uh also I'll a blessing
19:20for the administration um either staff
19:23or the mayor to sign a letter of support
19:26that is required for that application.
19:28But that's what I'm here for today is to
19:29ask for that continued support to move
19:31forward with this.
19:36>> Okay. Thank you.
19:38No, there's no
19:41>> Thank you.
19:46>> Number seven, discussion of
19:48recommendations by police department.
20:08So, um, at the request of council, uh,
20:11we conducted a speed study on Rosedale
20:12Drive, uh, between the period of June
20:149th, June 25th, uh, to determine whether
20:17the current 35 mile per hour speed limit
20:19should be reduced to 25. Um, also
20:22evaluate the road roadway
20:23characteristics. Uh, the study showed an
20:25average speed of approximately 25 miles
20:27per hour with an 85th percentile speed
20:30of approximately 30 miles per hour.
20:32Based on those results, we did not
20:33identify a significant speeding problem.
20:36Uh in fact, most motorists are already
20:38traveling well below the 35 uh current
20:41speed limit. Uh however, we also
20:43consider the residential nature of
20:45Rosdale Drive and the site distance uh
20:47concern near the Hill Crest. Based on
20:49the roadway characteristics and actual
20:52operating operating speeds, uh the
20:54police department believes that 25 miles
20:55per hour is an appropriate speed uh for
20:58this section of Rosedale Drive. Um,
21:01there is also a recent change in North
21:03Carolina law that affects our
21:05recommendation.
21:06Rosedale Drive is not marked with a
21:08center line and currently has no posted
21:10speed limit signs. Under current law,
21:13the default speed within municipal
21:14limits is 35 miles per hour. Effective
21:17December 1st, 2026, an amendment to
21:20North Carolina Journal Statute 20-141
21:24establishes a 25 mile per hour default
21:26speed on roadways that are unpaved or
21:30not marked with a center line.
21:33Therefore, uh although the police
21:35department supports a 25 mile per hour
21:36speed limit for Rosedale Drive, we do
21:39not anticipate that separate council
21:40action will be necessary to accomplish
21:42that change after December 1st. Uh we
21:45also recommend that the city attorney
21:47review the amended statute uh prior to
21:49its effective date just to confirm its
21:51applicability uh and also determine
21:53whether any additional ordinance or
21:55implementation considerations.
21:57Um so in summary, the study did not
21:59identify a significant speeding problem,
22:01but it did support 25 miles per hour as
22:04an appropriate speed for the roadway.
22:06With it uh with the change in state law
22:08taking effect December 1st, we believe
22:10the appropriate course is is to allow
22:12that change to take effect. obviously
22:14subjective to the final review of the
22:17city attorney
22:20and we'll also uh be sure to work with
22:22uh public works uh because clearly we
22:24have a lot of roadways in Thomasville
22:27that are not marked with center lines.
22:29So uh that can be certainly an impact uh
22:33for roadways in
22:35>> Thomasville
22:41that is coming from the state. Yeah.
22:43>> Do you have a method of what you're
22:45going to do to help kind of put that
22:46information out there?
22:47>> Sure. We'll have a um public safety
22:51announcement um you know, social media,
22:55educating the public before the date
22:56gets here. Um and then obviously we
22:58we'll run an educational campaign uh
23:00just to educate our our citizenry. Hey,
23:03this this is a a new change in law. Um
23:06and we're out here to try to educate uh
23:08before enforcement takes place. So,
23:11>> I appreciate that.
23:15Absolutely. All right. Thank you all.
23:17>> Thank you.
23:20>> I have to admit I did not realize that
23:22law had had taken effect. As we
23:24discussed, there's a lot of laws out
23:26there that that are going taking effect.
23:29And of all the things that the
23:31legislature did, this is probably the
23:34best one that they could have done
23:36because I long felt that 35 was too fast
23:39for most neighborhoods. And so,
23:46But it will mean that we'll have to
23:48decide there are probably some roads
23:50that still need to be 35 after this. So
23:53then we'll have to approve specific
23:56ordinance for those mark them as 35. So
24:01this will be a process we'll go through
24:03and take a look at the
24:07moving along. Number eight, road closure
24:10ordinances for light of the holiday and
24:13Christmas.
24:18These are recurring road closures for
24:20nothing.
24:38project and progress.
24:42Sam
24:46>> Sam is just fine.
24:49Sam is just fine. Um can y'all scroll to
24:52the documents for that?
24:56Uh so next week we are well we are not
24:59but contractors are going to be on the
25:00ground doing the work. Um, this has been
25:02a long time coming, but dealing with
25:03anything in a creek, EPA, um,
25:08Army Corps of Engineers, everybody had
25:10to put their blessing on it. So, we
25:11finally got all that, uh, through
25:12confirmation of no rise, which basically
25:14means that the work we're going to be
25:15doing is not going to make flooding
25:16worse. Um, obviously any work that we do
25:19that tries to assist in flood
25:22mitigation, um, has to confirm that it's
25:24not going to make it worse. The other
25:26thing everybody looks for also is to
25:28make flooding go away. That will never
25:30happen. Obviously, 100red-year flood
25:32planes, thousand-year flood events, it's
25:35just not going to happen. So, just as a
25:36review, uh this is the strap program um
25:40which is the string bank stabilization
25:42and creek cleanout for the Jimmy's Creek
25:45um along the East Meadow Road area. Um
25:48there's four partals that are going to
25:50be impacted by this. Um one of those is
25:54the um the 325 East Meadow Road. That is
25:58our NFIP, our National Flood Insurance
26:00Program, severe repetitive loss, which
26:03basically means it's had up to $20,000
26:06worth of damage multiple times. Um,
26:08that's the base my house with the pool.
26:10Yes, sir. Sure is. Um, so Michael, if
26:13you want to add any into this as far as
26:15the the concept of it or um this has
26:19been a long time coming. Um we the
26:22family that lived there reached out to
26:24us uh after storms a couple of years ago
26:28and uh we uh were able to identify a
26:32grant that we could apply for which we
26:35did which was a strap grant and we've
26:37been working through we taken vegetation
26:42along the stream corridor trying to
26:45clean it so it mov so the water moves.
26:48Uh and this is that last I you know I
26:51don't know I don't think that this will
26:53solve the flooding problem but it should
26:55at least
27:02>> probably
27:12hoping that this will certainly help
27:13their situations
27:15um moving forward but as Sam said you
27:19You can't you can't completely prepare
27:22against
27:23>> flood. This has been a long process.
27:27I'm glad we're getting to this end, but
27:31we'll hope that it does some good for
27:33them.
27:38>> So, there there are other grant
27:39opportunities. Um there's the uh swift
27:41flow grant opportunity where they can do
27:43some elevations of their houses and I've
27:45tried to give as much information to
27:47those land owners as I can but it's
27:48obviously their responsibility to apply
27:50for those. Um so this was a $364,000
27:54grant. Uh out of that we had $10,000 in
27:56like kind matching. So my my salary
27:59doing my time going out meeting with
28:01loaners um using dump trucks things like
28:03that. So that's what we're planning on
28:05using that for. So hopefully no true
28:07funding will come out of the budget for
28:08that. Um we've got about $218,000 left
28:11for the the actual physical work of the
28:13job which should take less than a month.
28:16Um but we just want to give y'all an
28:18update and let you know the boots are
28:19going to be on the ground hopefully in
28:20the next two weeks doing that work
28:28and backyard.
28:32I haven't been back in there in a while
28:33that we've done some riding, but it's
28:35mainly been on the rightway. Um,
28:46>> 4x4 that would be the police
28:51>> could have been Yeah.
29:00>> Yeah. That's probably they were probably
29:02checking the right way to make sure
29:05being maintained.
29:06>> Sam, thank you for the update.
29:08>> Yes, sir.
29:09>> And I remember when we were talking
29:10about this um now seeing how long this
29:13process is going down, have you thought
29:15about um know time as some of the other
29:19properties that are also being impacted
29:20by the creek
29:21>> and um are we thinking about when the
29:24process of trying to maybe reapply this
29:25grant even though we haven't got started
29:27this process but think about getting
29:29started that process to hopefully
29:31address some of these other properties
29:33that are also be impacted even though we
29:35>> Yeah. address.
29:36>> Yeah, absolutely. Um, strap
29:38unfortunately has been changed a little
29:41bit. It was a North Carolina
29:42agricultural grant now with North
29:44Carolina pulling back some funds and
29:46doing other things. Um, this is one
29:47that's pretty much been sunseted. Yeah,
29:51there are some federal grants that of
29:52course we'll try to apply for. Um, but a
29:54lot of times those federal grants comes
29:56down to the actual land owner
29:57themselves. Um, and I have been in
29:59contact with a couple of the other land
30:01owners. There there was a repetitive
30:02loss, not a severe repetitive loss, uh,
30:04a little bit further down the road
30:06towards the pilot drive or pilot school
30:08road. And I've given him some
30:09information about it as well. But yeah,
30:13>> uh, they're close. Yeah, I know the the
30:15severe repetitive loss. Yes, they have
30:16been cut off multiple times, but they
30:18still have to have it. Yep. Just because
30:20of that flood plane that they sit in.
30:23>> It's expensive.
30:24>> Yeah, it is. Flooding is expensive.
30:27Absolutely. Thank y'all. Thank you.
31:20Who is it?